he's exotic, grew up outside of the united states and yes, by the way, he is black. but this is -- this goes beyond that, because it really is -- i just think there's an edge to this one that we haven't seen. >> dana, you were just saying, that given all the attacks during the convention, the republican convention next week, it's not been of any great benefit to mitt romney. today we learn that the romney and ryan campaign are running robo calls and guess what's in the robo call, the president wants to raid medicare for $716 million and he's going to tax wheelchairs and pacemakers. i mean, if it failed during their convention, why do they keep doing this? >> and i expect next they'll come back again with that jamesville gm plant which has been discredited and that whole line about the simpson-bowles that paul ryan trotted out last week. so, you know, that doesn't seem to be working. you know, when you take something like the jamesville case that's flat wrong, that's one thing. gene does make an important case that welfare argument is more pernicious because it seems